Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Race baiting
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Racism. Spartaz Humbug! 04:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Definition/dictionary cohesion 02:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete by not dictionary. This is an old-fashioned term which I have not heard for years. The definition given is rather vague and I'm not sure if the examples are relevant.Borock (talk) 04:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. WP:DICDEF applies.
Also, only one of the sources provided includes the term "race baiter" exactly once; thus, I'm inclined to believe the majority of the article appears to be synthesis.--Kinu t/c 05:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply] - Strong Keep and improve. Google news and google news archives return hundreds of examples of the term going back decades, is clearly notable. --George100 (talk) 08:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep and improve. This term is heavily used in the social and political sciences today, and has historical value extending back 100+ years. • Freechild'sup? 15:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- If it's about the term then it belongs in Wiktionary. Borock (talk) 16:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It's about a historical class of behaviors. --George100 (talk) 03:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The main source cited in the article, a dictionary, defines race baiting as: "the making of verbal attacks against members of a racial group." I agree with you that this is a historical class of behaviors. in fact people were probably doing it in prehistoric times. But what are you going to say about it beyond that? Borock (talk) 04:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- 1.) Select good examples from the hundreds that are readily available. 2.) Locate good sociological studies that explain the concept and explain what the term means (These are difficult to find). --George100 (talk) 08:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The main source cited in the article, a dictionary, defines race baiting as: "the making of verbal attacks against members of a racial group." I agree with you that this is a historical class of behaviors. in fact people were probably doing it in prehistoric times. But what are you going to say about it beyond that? Borock (talk) 04:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It's about a historical class of behaviors. --George100 (talk) 03:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I'm amending my justification as the examples and non-sources appear to have been removed. Nonetheless, the only content of this article now is an unsourced definition which may still fall under synthesis and, at best, WP:DICDEF. The term is of encyclopedic value, I'm fairly certain, for an article; however, right now this article basically states race baiting is [insert unsourced/possibly OR definition here], and Glenn Beck uses the term. In other words, what's present is not an encyclopedic article about the topic of race baiting at the moment. Keep and improve could be a possible course of action, but given the lack of anything sourced in this article, WP:TNT might apply here unless an editor can, at the very least, amend and source the definition soon. --Kinu t/c 17:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep-- The article needs improvement, but the subject is notable and part of the ethnic studies research as shown by in the Handbook of Race and Ethnic Studies and Race, politics, and governance in the United States. --Jmundo (talk) 05:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge Race baiting seems to be a form of Racism, so merge there.Kitfoxxe (talk) 17:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- This seems reasonable. I'm concerned that a simple keep will leave us with a lingering neutrality problem for years. - cohesion 14:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to race card. Bearian (talk) 03:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- They are not the same thing. --George100 (talk) 10:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- keep and improve. A well practiced and continuing art among racists of all stripes. Just watch the words of the racist politicians for any length of time. Hmains (talk) 17:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge somewhere. This is a notable term, which deserves to be included in Wikipedia, but I don't think there's enough to say about it to justify a separate article (that goes beyond a dicdef). I would agree with merging into Race card, as Bearian suggests - while not quite the same thing, they do seem to cover very similar topics with a considerable amount of overlap, which would be best covered in the same article. Robofish (talk) 20:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- On further reading, perhaps George100 is right that 'race card' and 'race baiting' are distinct topics. In that case, maybe this should just be merged to Racism; I just noticed that Muslim baiting redirects to Islamophobia, so we could do the same here. Robofish (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.